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					<description><![CDATA[President Donald Trump and Indonesian President Prabowo Subianto appear to have been overhead on Monday discussing what seemed to be a Trump family business venture, leading to criticism that it undermines what the White House has said about a firewall existing between the president&#8217;s official duties and his personal fortune. During the exchange, which took place on a [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao MvWXB TjIXL aGjvy ebVHC ">President <a class="zZygg UbGlr iFzkS qdXbA WCDhQ DbOXS tqUtK GpWVU iJYzE " data-testid="prism-linkbase" href="https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/donald-trump" target="_blank" dir="ltr">Donald Trump</a> and Indonesian President Prabowo Subianto<!-- --> <!-- -->appear to have been<!-- --> <!-- -->overhead on Monday discussing what seemed to be a Trump family business venture, leading to criticism that it undermines what the White House has said about a firewall existing between the president&#8217;s official duties and his personal fortune.</p>
<p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy ">During the exchange, which took place<!-- --> <!-- -->on a live camera feed<!-- --> <!-- -->shortly after Trump addressed a gathering of leaders in Egypt to laud the <a class="zZygg UbGlr iFzkS qdXbA WCDhQ DbOXS tqUtK GpWVU iJYzE " data-testid="prism-linkbase" href="https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-declares-end-israel-hamas-war-experts-hard/story?id=126482789" target="_blank" dir="ltr">Gaza ceasefire plan</a>, Subianto asked Trump to meet with &#8220;Eric,&#8221; presumably referring to Eric Trump, president&#8217;s son who is the executive vice president of the Trump Organization.</p>
<p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy ">&#8220;Would you do that?&#8221; Trump responds. &#8220;He&#8217;s such a good boy. I&#8217;ll have Eric call you.&#8221;</p>
<p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy ">Neither leader appeared to be aware that their conversation was<!-- --> <!-- -->being picked up by a microphone. The audio is muffled and at times difficult to discern. It was not clear exactly what the two men were discussing.</p>
<p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy ">Neither the White House nor the Trump Organization immediately responded to a request for comment from ABC News. In the past, White House officials have said that Trump&#8217;s assets are held in a trust controlled by his family, and that, while president, he has no role in the family&#8217;s business dealings in order to avoid ethical concerns.</p>
<p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy ">White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt <a class="zZygg UbGlr iFzkS qdXbA WCDhQ DbOXS tqUtK GpWVU iJYzE " data-testid="prism-linkbase" href="https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-visit-gulf-region-diplomacy-collides-family-business/story?id=121655285" target="_blank" dir="ltr">told reporters</a> in May that it was &#8220;frankly ridiculous that anyone in this room would even suggest that President Trump is doing anything for his own benefit.&#8221;</p>
<p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy ">Critics immediately leapt on the nature of the discussion between Trump and Subianto, saying that &#8220;there is no line between Trump presidential and personal business,&#8221; according to Tony Carrk, the executive director of<!-- --> <!-- -->Accountable.US, a nonprofit government watchdog.</p>
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<p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy ">&#8220;The President is apparently using a foreign leader summit as a platform to smooth things over for his son&#8217;s condo development ventures in Indonesia,&#8221; Carrk said.</p>
<p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy ">The exchange began when Subianto approached Trump behind the lectern where he had just finished addressing world leaders<!-- --> <!-- -->on camera, in front of the media.<!-- --> <!-- -->The first intelligible words came from Subianto, who describes a region as &#8220;not safe, security-wise,&#8221; before asking to meet with Eric.</p>
<p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy ">&#8220;We&#8217;ll look for a better place,&#8221; Subianto says moments later.</p>
<p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy ">&#8220;I&#8217;ll have Eric call you,&#8221; Trump responds.</p>
<p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy ">&#8220;Eric or Don,&#8221; Subianto says, apparently referring to Trump&#8217;s son Donald Trump Jr., another executive vice president at the Trump Organization.</p>
<p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy ">At one point during the conversation, Subianto tells Trump, &#8220;I told Hary, also, by the way,&#8221; possibly referring to Hary Tanoesoedibjo, an Indonesian real estate developer who has partnered with the Trump Organization on both of its existing projects in the country.</p>
<p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy ">Just days before the summit, Tanoesoedibjo posted a <a class="zZygg UbGlr iFzkS qdXbA WCDhQ DbOXS tqUtK GpWVU iJYzE " data-testid="prism-linkbase" href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fp%2FDPdZTCVkbRn%2F&amp;data=05%7C02%7CMarc.E.Nathanson%40abc.com%7Cc5c3ab5b44fe4fad0e6908de0b6159e8%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C638960709904882679%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=CotxPQcqKYTmL%2Fqx7iAAmUMtLw7slhbZhatg0cf7jfo%3D&amp;reserved=0" target="_blank" dir="ltr"><u class=" ">video on social media</u></a> <!-- -->promoting the<!-- --> <!-- -->Trump-branded property in Lido City,<!-- --> <!-- -->a town just<!-- --> <!-- -->south of Jakarta, boasting of its &#8220;breathtaking views&#8221; and &#8220;unmatched prestige.&#8221; Tanoesoedibjo&#8217;s firm, MNC Land, is also in the <a class="zZygg UbGlr iFzkS qdXbA WCDhQ DbOXS tqUtK GpWVU iJYzE " data-testid="prism-linkbase" href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.trump.com%2Fgolf%2Ftrump-international-golf-club-and-resort-bali&amp;data=05%7C02%7CMarc.E.Nathanson%40abc.com%7Cc5c3ab5b44fe4fad0e6908de0b6159e8%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C638960709904900016%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=tQttApMMs2MWs7BOWfPcTEIsWPI%2FiQvTPgF3k2oVlT4%3D&amp;reserved=0" target="_blank" dir="ltr"><u class=" ">process of developing</u></a> <!-- -->another Trump-branded property in Bali.</p>
<p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy ">MNC Land did not immediately respond to a request for comment from ABC News.</p>
<p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy ">Before parting ways, Trump, on the video feed, tells Subianto: &#8220;You&#8217;re a fantastic guy. I&#8217;ll have one of them call you. I like that you told me that. We don&#8217;t need that.&#8221;</p>
<p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy ">Indonesia&#8217;s foreign minister downplayed the conversation, according to<!-- --> <a class="zZygg UbGlr iFzkS qdXbA WCDhQ DbOXS tqUtK GpWVU iJYzE " data-testid="prism-linkbase" href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2Farticles%2F2025-10-14%2Findonesia-s-prabowo-asks-trump-for-meeting-with-sons&amp;data=05%7C02%7CMarc.E.Nathanson%40abc.com%7Cc5c3ab5b44fe4fad0e6908de0b6159e8%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C638960709904914689%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=Qy4eO79huWaqY1QK3gphfmz13ZNOseZyYMI2WyVQvvk%3D&amp;reserved=0" target="_blank" dir="ltr">Bloomberg</a>.<!-- --> </p>
<p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC eTIW sUzSN ">&#8220;They&#8217;re friends, so it&#8217;s natural for them to speak privately,&#8221; Sugiono, the foreign minister, told reporters. &#8220;If there&#8217;s anything specific that needs follow-up, I will be informed.&#8221;</p>
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